Beiträge von Johan VDS

    Just added some newly finished cymbals to my site.


    A few light jazzrides, amongst which a 22' weighing only 1920 grams.


    Also a few crashes and "Perforation Trashes". There's now a separate directory for the latter.


    Check out the soundfiles.


    Here's the soundfile of the Extra Light 22" Jazzride I made from a medium weight Ufip. Sounds very trashy and complex. Looks like this:





    This other 22" Jazzride also comes from a Ufip but weighs 2280 grams, which is still fairly light.






    And these are soundfiles of the 18" and 20" Perforation Trashes.



    iI answered your short message immediately after I got it, didn't you get it ?


    Hammering is almost always both top and bottom hammering.


    Adjusting tension is different for each cymbal and is not really related to shape. Any cymbal can be hammered loose or tense. This is really impossible to explain. You really have to try and gain experience, you will certainly find out. Don't give up !

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    Original von Chuck-Boom
    @ Johan VDS: could you be more specific about "recent"?


    I 'm not sure of the exact year, but it's been a couple of years already.


    But when recent K's come my way, I often wish them welcome with a few hammering and lathing sessions, simply because most of the newer K's don't have much K in the sound anymore to me.


    So the R's are not there for long :)

    To Ynnus: Yes I am a drummer, I play everything from acoustic jazz to metal. So my cymbal setup will vary in function of the music I will be playing. But of course I use my self-hammered cymbals. Being a drummer looking for a specific sound (and not finding it) is why I once started hammering cymbals (and building snaredrums).


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    Original von buddler
    Wer möchte da nicht mal eines seiner alten 3. Wahl Becken bearbeiten?

    Well you are on the right track already when you start with "alten 3. Wahl Becken" ! An important thing you have to find out is how cymbal tension and shape change when you hammer here or there. There's no other way to learn it than by trial and error. I learned it like this myself. A few important rules:

    • The cymbal must always be in contact with the anvil at the point of impact.
    • You have to look and listen what happens constantly. So don't hammer the whole cymbal at once but hammer one circular row and then check what happens.
    • Don't start with B20 cymbals, use sheet metal cymbals to begin with, like brass, nickelsilver or B8. Sheet metal is softer and errors will not immediately cause disaster, they can be corrected more easily.

    Like Ynnus said it really is a matter of getting the feel for it, which will only happen after much experience. I'm afraid it's just impossible to convert these years of experience into text. Especially because each cymbal is so different and requires a different approach. After all these years of hammering, when someone gives me a cymbal, I don't need to play it to know how it will sound. Just taking hold of the cymbal, running my fingers across the surface, feeling the tension tells me how it is going to sound and what kind of hammering is required to change it this or that way.
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    I finished hammering a bunch of cymbals again. Pics and soundfiles on my webspace !


    20' Light Complex Low Jazz ride (from Zildjian Avedis)
    20' Light Complex High Jazz ride (from Sabian AAX)
    20' Deep Trashy Ride (from Zildjian Avedis)
    20' Deep Trashy Flatride (from Zildjian Avedis) 2 rivetholes
    18' Complex Crashride (from Paiste 2002)
    17' Light Dark Dry Crashride (from Ufip)
    17' Dark Crash (from Zildjian Z Custom)
    11' Dark Splash (from Zildjian A Custom)


    Please drumcymb@yahoo.com for prices.


    A "before and after soundfile" of the "20' Light Complex High Jazz ride" (which was originally a Sabian 20" AAX Metal Crash !) can be found in this map.
    It now looks like this:


    Yes 24" rides can be crasheable.


    Check this 24" Avedis Zildjian I customised. It weighs 3495 grams, but now I've hammered it you can crash it with even a light stick and you don't need to hit hard. I made it much darker too.


    You can find the soundfile in this map.


    Same goes for the 22" rides you can hear there.

    Thanks guys ! I'm very happy you like the cymbals I customized for you. It's nice getting to know some German and Austrian drummers this way !


    Learned a few German "cymbal-word" also. Like... "geile teilen" :D


    I finished hammering quite a few new cymbals recently. You can hear them on my site. (...Yes they are all for sale8) )


    There will be more in the near future so check the site regularly.

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    Original von josef
    Die mit dem runden Logo sind die älteren - das Logo ähnelt stark dem alten Sound-Creation-Logo. Ob auch die Qualität geändert wurde, weiß ich nicht.


    Yes these logo's resemble each other, but these cymbals have nothing in common.


    Sound Creations are B20 alloy (like the 602's), while the Sound Formula's are B15 alloy (like Paiste Signature and Traditional).

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    Original von Drumstudio1
    Ich persönlich finde es nur erschreckend, dass bei all dem Hype um Cymbaltypen, Legierungen, "ge-soundwaved" oder "ge-soundedged" maschinell hergestellt oder "ear-craftet" handveredelt, sandgestrahlt, matt oder brilliant finished, es offensichtlich bislang KEINEN Hersteller gibt, da mal einen gehörsensiblen!!! Cymbalschmied systematisch an der Eliminierung dieses Problems arbeiten läßt.


    That is indeed THE big problem with all mass manufactured cymbals today, whether they are machine made or handmade. The cymbalsmiths are trained to SHAPE cymbals but not to LISTEN to them. Hammering into shape and fine hammering into sound are 2 different things. The second is far more difficult and requires much more time. But the factories don't want to spend much time on 1 cymbal.


    That's why I once started hammering myself.

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    Original von D. Darko
    bei jedem schlag auf die geschlossene hit hat, folgt ein nervender pfeif/piepton.

    Like Philippe said this can be caused by bad matching in the factory.
    But it can also be caused by warpage of one of the 2 cymbals or by not enough difference in weight between the 2 cymbals. Or just by a tension conflict between the two cymbals.


    If it's a new pair, go back to the shop. If not, the problem can be solved by hammering the cymbals or by lathing the top cymbal.